If no boom yesterday, boom today. - Or: THAT was the next explosion.

[oloriel]

Fine. I deleted yesterday's rant, but today, it's going on air. Let there be Drama.

"It really sucks when a canon character, particularly a major one, is OOC."

Which totally doesn't apply to at least half the characters, even the major ones in their respective canons, on DF. Oh, no. Of course not. Especially not those your puppets like to interact with. Or those of your clique. Never.

"And the way she treats people that she should respect-"

Whom, please?

"The worst example was the dog-petting thing, really"

And that is necessarily OOC? Because someone who tries to convert people's way of treating house-elves would never ever tell them how to treat animals? Sorry, I don't get it.

"If we're thinking of the same person, then she hadn't even read the bloody books when she joined."

Has our dearly beloved Eöl- and Saeros-typist ever read the Silm? Just asking. Or did she just need every possible reminder about the character because it's so far in the past and she can't remember anything?
Would you swear that all of our LesMis muns have actually read the book/s, or don't you think one or two might just be running on the musical and/or one of the many movies?

By the way: She had.

"...especially about her trying to break the magical rules of the universe."

PROVE. IT.

Seriously? The last thing one needs are immature, inane, selfish teenagers, who stick only to the rules they like or made up themselves, who're incapable of getting their own lives sorted out and wine about not being respected when they've done nothing to deserve respect, telling them what to do.

And let me just add something entirely for myself, because I've been swallowing it for far too long:
YOUR. PRESETS. ARE. NOT. FUNNY. ANYMORE. They were never really funny, and now that the amusement has worn off, they're really just annoying.
The same goes for the Eruawful "your mom" joke, which wasn't even funny when I was in kindergarten and CERTAINLY shouldn't be funny amongst people who have been out of kindergarten for a while.
Also for "O RLY", but that's not your fault alone, so I'll let that pass.
Anyway, rule of thumb - and listen up now, because this might be important:
Passing fads are only funny as long as they gracefully pass when their time to die has come at last.

You know what? Excuse my Middle English, but FUCK YOU.

Comments

[satismagic.livejournal.com]

Well said.

No matter where, no matter what: "Wanking" is simply pathetic.

[oloriel.livejournal.com]

Well, I'm probably wanking here too. But at least I'm doing it on my own journal rather than on a community. *sighs*

[satismagic.livejournal.com]

Ich würde das was Du machst nicht "wanking" nennen... Du *kommentierst* einen Vorgang auf Deinem privaten Journal. Und ich wette, wenn Du ein echtes Problem mit jemandem hast, wirst Du mit der Person reden, und den Betreffenden nicht auf einer "Wanking"-Site hintenrum schlecht machen.

[zorn.livejournal.com]

also... ich weiß nicht mal was DF ist - aber ich glaube, ich kenne das GEFÜHL ganz genau.
Also ... hast du mein ganzes, volles Mitgefühl.

Und jedes Recht zu diesem Ausbruch.

[oloriel.livejournal.com]

Dankeschön.

Und der Angriff ging nicht mal gegen mich. Ich hab bloß die Schnauze so voll von dem Kinderkram. *sfz*

[tyriangalley.livejournal.com]

Nggh. This is ..rather irritating. I wish I could do someting about it, but --it's opinion.

[oloriel.livejournal.com]

Of course. And everybody's entitled to their opinion. The question is how people deal with their (possibly clashing) opinions, and the way it went here was definitely not a good way.
You don't have to do anything about it - this is not a call to arms. I just finally had to get rid of my opinion.

[coppertone.livejournal.com]

Fine, breaking the no-comment rule.

We all have issues with each other. That's people. There are puppets who irritate me, and typists who can (but don't always) irritate me, and I'm sure we all have problems we haven't voiced. But the real last thing we need is to start taking it behind backs.

I, personally, absolutely hate this trend of bringing DF to BRPS. Bringing one's problems to a wanking site says worse things about you than the person you're bitching about. If you have a problem with someone, what you need to do is take it up with them, not bitch about them where they can't see, or -- worse -- take it to a ranting community and do it where they can.

Most of us are quite young, and I know we also pride ourselves on being quite mature. And I think that, on the whole, we are. But this sort of thing isn't. We're better than BRPS, and we ought to act like it.

Can I just reiterate? Concerns with a person ought to be brought up with that person. Politely, reasonably, to their face.

And as for these particular concerns? I do think you're right. I know that my characters are all varying degrees of annoyingly OOC: other people can speak for themselves. What I think is being missed here is that Irritating =/= OOC. OOC is usually irritating, but it doesn't go both ways.

--There, look, someone finally got an opinion out of me. Joy.

[oloriel.livejournal.com]

And look, I can't even disagree with you, because, on the whole, you're right. Except on the mature part. I mean, sure we are mature. On the whole. On good days. Most of us. If there's nothing better to do.

- and of course it's ok to be immature sometimes, but there's different degrees. Fangirling immaturely is one thing, cowardly (and by cowardly, I mean BRPS, for example) and/or immaturely attacking others is quite another. Yes, I know, I'm doing much the same thing just now, but at least it's a) on my personal journal and b) open for discussion (not only for friends/members). Besides, I'm facing a whole group of people, whom I probably won't catch on their own anyway, certainly not long enough to talk to them before they'd go on ignore mode. So.

Concerns with a person ought to be brought up with that person. Politely, reasonably, to their face.
- Thank you.
Unfortunately, it doesn't always work, but it should at least be the first step. And perhaps people could learn that it might be helpful to react equally politely and reasonabley, rather than saying whatever equivalent of "fuck off" suits them.

And of course, not every irritating character is OOC (... Christine!! comes to mind). And not every OOC character is irritating either, it seems - not any more than the IC character would be, at any rate. Cf. my Fëanor, who's definitely not entirely canonically correct, and yet people seem to be ok with him - or I just missed the BRPS thread, of course. Whatever. At any rate, "OOC" can't always be used for a reason why one doesn't get along with someone. Most characters on DF are OOC, and yet someone brings the "OOC" argument up whenever they don't like what someone else does. Which I find somewhat strange and rather unfair.

- Yes. I feel honoured.

[kali921.livejournal.com]

Hon, what the fuck happened? I've been looking for a LOTR game to join, because well versed and experienced I am, and I feel your pain about wank and drama. God knows I've had enough of that completely insane bullshit modding Sages.

What happened? Did someone attack you OOC? Lemme at 'em!

Seriously, what happened?

[oloriel.livejournal.com]

Nothing happened to me. They did bitch at a good friend who plays there too, however, which resulted in the explosion above...

[salophile.livejournal.com]

Mmm, okay.

I really don't see any way to gracefully backpaddle out of this or anything, so I'll just stay exactly where I am. Sure, I did something hurtful and said something sarcastic. It's still my opinion and I'll still stand by it.

It doesn't mean I bear any ill will to anyone, it just means I'm fucking annoyed. Surely I'm allowed to wank over that.

You're free to talk to me if you want, but I don't have a lot to say on the matter.

[oloriel.livejournal.com]

The problem wasn't your opinion, the problem was how you said it. Sure, sarcasm is an art form. Still.

Are you? I'm fucking annoyed too. And haven't wanked much yet, but perhaps I should start a serial about Things That Piss Me Of About DF. Haven't gotten that many comments on a post of mine in a long time, after all. Joy.

I know your opinion, you know mine now. Not much point in talking, it seems, unless you want to add something.

[http://users.livejournal.com/macalla_/]

Ah - das alte Thema 'Dieser Char wird von jemand anderem gespielt aber ist bloederweise nicht so, wie ICH ihn mir vorstelle. Ergo spielt der anderen mies.'
Hatte ich auch alles schon.

Und glaub mir: egal wie oft du versuchst zu erklaeren, dass es DEINE Version des Chars ist, der andere wird immer behaupten, du hast keine Ahnung von Rollenspiel/RPG System/dem Char/dessen Rasse/der Welt/etc.

[oloriel.livejournal.com]

Ich weiß. Ich weiß. Aber zum Kotzen ist es halt. (Ist ja gar nicht MEINE Version, sondern die einer Freundin. Aber kommt natürlich aufs Gleiche raus.)

[aetherbunny.livejournal.com]

Well, I wasn't expecting a boom today when I posted that comment, but apparently it did boom.

I'll be glad, like you did, to tell people exactly what I think of them to their face; and (are they reading this? of course they are, it's draaamaaah) I agree with you. The running jokes have run their course. The immaturity in OOC is irritating. Unfortunately, to get nearly any play in-character, one must associate with the players OOC, and to be honest I didn't join the game to make friends. Friends were a side benefit. But not everyone has to be my friend; but they don't recognize an IC/OOC divide either.

[salophile.livejournal.com]

Actually, I agree too. I find myself growing frustrated frequently because when I offer up pups for play, only the people who are my friends will play.

And it's really nice that these things only get brought up when there's wangst, isn't it?

[oloriel.livejournal.com]

Yes, it did indeed. I hadn't read that BRPS post yet when I wrote yesterday's rant. If I had, it would've stayed there.

I'm glad, actually, to keep my opinion to myself or bitch only to a few friends who I know will understand. Normally.
And yes, that's one of the main problems. That, and the difficulty of getting any play at all, with or without OOC contact.

[gods-griffin.livejournal.com]

Right. I could go through this and argue it with you point by point, but I'm not going to. I don't have the time, the energy, or the emotional togetherness to deal with it.

First of all, the 'incapable of getting their own lives sorted out' comment was downright cruel, below the belt, and had absolutely no relevance. That's really the most upsetting thing to me. Insult my puppets, fine. But some people have gone through a lot of shit in life. I'm not saying you haven't. And I'm not saying you don't understand. But if you do? You really should think more before saying something like that.

Second of all. Different things are funny for different people. Personally, political jokes? Don't do anything for me, whether or not I understand them. Don't tell someone that something is not funny just because it is not funny to you. It's not true that it 'isn't funny'. You just don't appreciate the humor. There's no problem with that, but if you have a problem with that, you're just as guilty of the sins of not dealing with problems and peeves as the rest of us are.

Third of all, and this is the only thing I will say about the character Hermione. The thing that annoys me most about her is when she as a character is used in a moderatiing capacity. It is not Hermione's business to run the main room. The moderator is Leany, not her puppet.

Oh-- wait. I lied. One more about Hermione. The thing about respecting people? In the books, I seem to remember her respecting authority, and people who were her elders. There were times when she was under extreme duress, or when she knew they were wrong, or it was dangerous. But she was an extremely respectful young woman. There's OOC, and there's OOC. That is too painfully out there for me to accept. So I should have said something to Leany, yeah. But I didn't say anything at all up until yesterday. I'm no more guilty than you are of anything.

[oloriel.livejournal.com]

First of all, Yes, I suppose it was. That's because I personally consider hate a pretty damn strong word, I suppose, which in turn made me snap. Why yes, that can happen.*

Because, secondly, I am just as human as everyone else. Of course I'm as guilty of those "sins" as the rest of you. But hey, you may not have noticed it, but I haven't so far bitched at people about it. I have tried to ignore it, because I KNOW that you find it amusing and enjoy it. Fine. But if you insult my friends, I might shoot back. Yes, even below the belt. Even with irrelevant stuff. Because I don't see why I can swallow stuff and others can't. I'm no that different from my sock there. Some people call it bleedover, I think.

Thirdly, right. No, it isn't. Yet, she can comment on other people's behaviour and habits - just as any other puppet can, say, ask indecent questions or harass other puppets or whatever. Yes, perhaps she went a bit overboard. If that's a reason for HATE and ZOME DICTATORSHIP, however, I quit.

There's no authority on DF, as has been discussed several times, albeit amongst puppets, not amongst muns. And whom of her elders, her authority figures, did she disrespect?
Yes. You could have said it in a different way, though. Or at least a bit more elaborately than "Yes, can we say hate?". It's hard to change things when your only input is "hate", you know.

[strokemybow.livejournal.com]

I.. must say that I may be on the immaturity level. In OOC. And sure, Javert is OOC, too. I have read the book (took me a year, but I did it!), seen the musical, and the movies. I suppose I added my own twist to the character, and.. well.. that's probably my own fault. XD;;

But I agree. I don't.. care for some of the inside jokes and whatnot in OOC. It gets a little out of hand, and as much as I try, I get left out. In short, it suxxorz. But, what am I to do? I've earned that sweet reputation of the 'resident bitch,' but I have to say this:

GO LYRA! :D

I've wanted to use your Middle English words for so long. I now wonder why I haven't. I don't know. Perhaps I'm all bark and no bite. ;__;

[dame_grise]

Wangst.

Drama.

*sigh*

I'm not in the middle of this particular storm, but there a lot of people I think of friends very divided on this one.

I am pretty uncomfortable with a lot of what goes on in OOC, but I mostly ignore it. I feel like no one but close friends want to play with me. Maybe a lot of us do.

*sighs again*

[oloriel.livejournal.com]

*hugs* I know. I mostly ignored it until yesterday, too. But that was vicious enough to get me out of my ignore mode.
It's ok to be divided on an issue, and it's ok not to like everybody - I have my people on DF whom I don't like, too - but attacking someone cruelly, in a place where they can't even defend themselves, where every meaningful discussion is blocked by the purpose of the community, that's just plain unfair and not just a bit cowardly.

Yes. And lo, one of the few typists whose character's actually willing to interact with anybody gets flamed...

*sigh*

[metaphora.livejournal.com]

Aww, I think that people need to just quit taking DF so seriously. Then again, I've been thinking that for ages. Oh, what idealism!

--Anyway, I just have to say that you've totally got it right on the Les Mis thing. At least one of their typists has even admitted to having never read the book, and as someone who slogged through the whole thing within a couple of weeks, it's rather annoying.

[oloriel.livejournal.com]

I knooow. And now, a few days later, I'm angry at myself for exploding in this manner.

But then, what happened had already transcended the game-level. It was hurtful to an actual, real-life person, it was aimed to be so, and that was completely inappropriate...

--thought so. And I don't mean to attack anyone by that - I just felt like to pointing out that it's ridiculous to bring that as an argument for someone being a bad player when it applies to several others (whereas the one it was turned against actually had read her canon). Just as the perceived or real OOCness of a character (which must naturally happen if characters have contact to others not from their canon, I think) isn't much of an argument, unless everybody gets bitched out for leaving the boundaries of canon.

Oh well...